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		<title>By: DJAS</title>
		<link>http://www.rageousmusic.com/2008/08/27/electronic-progress-goes-boink/comment-page-1/#comment-15448</link>
		<dc:creator>DJAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m affirmed yet also crestfallen to see that I am not the only ones out there who feels abandoned by a genre of music that once inspires me to drop $12 on a single record across town, and now doesn&#039;t even motivate an instant $1.50 download.  Between 2000 and 2005, I was putting out a labor-of-love DJ mix every 6 months or so, yet it has taken be 4 years since then for a follow up.  

I recently attended a music production class lead by a very established dance music producer, more just to gain insight into the process of dance music production vs. the songcraft I am accustomed to being an &quot;organic&quot; musician as well.  In the entire 6 hour course, not a single mention was given to the idea of musical expression, emotion, or anything else that compels me to pick up a guitar and create, but rather portrayed the process as if it were some sort of purely-engineered practice.  Granted this was an introductory course, and one cannot be taught to be inspired to song, yet the complete absence of musical thought versus technical process presented in this introduction somewhat validated my concerns that dance music today, in all of its barrier-less accessibility, is less music and more a mechanized hobby with a coded formula for success.  Such an approach does not breed innovation, much less art.  

While the clubs may be happily bouncin&#039; to riffy, compressed electro prog, my headphones and I are happily waiting it out in a Hooj Choon time warp until the qualities that make good music good (thought, originality, expression, soul, etc.) come back in style.  Thanks for the very thoughtful, original, and expressive article; assuming your mixes are crafted in the same spirit, I may have some awakening to do ;)

Cheers,
Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m affirmed yet also crestfallen to see that I am not the only ones out there who feels abandoned by a genre of music that once inspires me to drop $12 on a single record across town, and now doesn&#8217;t even motivate an instant $1.50 download.  Between 2000 and 2005, I was putting out a labor-of-love DJ mix every 6 months or so, yet it has taken be 4 years since then for a follow up.  </p>
<p>I recently attended a music production class lead by a very established dance music producer, more just to gain insight into the process of dance music production vs. the songcraft I am accustomed to being an &#8220;organic&#8221; musician as well.  In the entire 6 hour course, not a single mention was given to the idea of musical expression, emotion, or anything else that compels me to pick up a guitar and create, but rather portrayed the process as if it were some sort of purely-engineered practice.  Granted this was an introductory course, and one cannot be taught to be inspired to song, yet the complete absence of musical thought versus technical process presented in this introduction somewhat validated my concerns that dance music today, in all of its barrier-less accessibility, is less music and more a mechanized hobby with a coded formula for success.  Such an approach does not breed innovation, much less art.  </p>
<p>While the clubs may be happily bouncin&#8217; to riffy, compressed electro prog, my headphones and I are happily waiting it out in a Hooj Choon time warp until the qualities that make good music good (thought, originality, expression, soul, etc.) come back in style.  Thanks for the very thoughtful, original, and expressive article; assuming your mixes are crafted in the same spirit, I may have some awakening to do <img src='http://www.rageousmusic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Andy</p>
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		<title>By: dj keone</title>
		<link>http://www.rageousmusic.com/2008/08/27/electronic-progress-goes-boink/comment-page-1/#comment-13802</link>
		<dc:creator>dj keone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well put. i&#039;ve been watching the cycles of genre death and rebirth now for a while, 12 years since my introduction to &quot;house&quot; music, a lifetime in a style of music that has defied easy catagorization. as a dj the issue of staying current remains a constant problem of being behind the curve. the effort of getting something that is unique and not in every other dj&#039;s crate is what defines you and your sound. digging and finding those tracks, taking the time to know your music, cherishing those records because you knew there was only so many of them that existed, that once that pressing was sold out you might never see it again. djing proir to the advent of beatport meant that you had more of yourself invested in your sound. now it&#039;s totally changed, the music is cheap, alot of it almost disposable. great music is timeless, and i could take a handful of records and drop them on any dancefloor and they would still sound good. the people that produced most of those tracks are no longer in the current landscape, or their sound has changed. it could be argued that the quality of the music produced overall was better when the technology was more expensive, but i still find it inspiring that there is still a drive to push the envelope and make state of the art tracks...

and yet i have crates full of yesterday&#039;s cutting edge sounds gathering dust. at $10  a piece they represent a very heavy and expensive investment and commitment to what may be a dying art form. it meant more to me then than it does now, because i see djing as what it is, interactive music listening that represents a convergence of old ideas being recycled as something new. the very nature of electronic music relys on the ideas and forms that proceeded it. this is not to say that it is just a sum of the parts involved, but it is nearly impossible to attempt to produce something without it being a cliche the moment it reaches the pop culture taste makers. what evolves underground is pushed into the mainstream and commodified and has it&#039;s 15 minutes of being blown up, and the saturation point is easily heard in the number of lame remixes being done in that style that year. 

records were the top tracks of their day, on labels that no longer exist and produced by people that will never see a dime, but it was the fact that they were the true innovaters that made it possible and paved the way forward. 

anyways, that&#039;s my two cents...props to the blog writer. and to those keeping the shit real, underground. :}&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well put. i&#8217;ve been watching the cycles of genre death and rebirth now for a while, 12 years since my introduction to &#8220;house&#8221; music, a lifetime in a style of music that has defied easy catagorization. as a dj the issue of staying current remains a constant problem of being behind the curve. the effort of getting something that is unique and not in every other dj&#8217;s crate is what defines you and your sound. digging and finding those tracks, taking the time to know your music, cherishing those records because you knew there was only so many of them that existed, that once that pressing was sold out you might never see it again. djing proir to the advent of beatport meant that you had more of yourself invested in your sound. now it&#8217;s totally changed, the music is cheap, alot of it almost disposable. great music is timeless, and i could take a handful of records and drop them on any dancefloor and they would still sound good. the people that produced most of those tracks are no longer in the current landscape, or their sound has changed. it could be argued that the quality of the music produced overall was better when the technology was more expensive, but i still find it inspiring that there is still a drive to push the envelope and make state of the art tracks&#8230;</p>
<p>and yet i have crates full of yesterday&#8217;s cutting edge sounds gathering dust. at $10  a piece they represent a very heavy and expensive investment and commitment to what may be a dying art form. it meant more to me then than it does now, because i see djing as what it is, interactive music listening that represents a convergence of old ideas being recycled as something new. the very nature of electronic music relys on the ideas and forms that proceeded it. this is not to say that it is just a sum of the parts involved, but it is nearly impossible to attempt to produce something without it being a cliche the moment it reaches the pop culture taste makers. what evolves underground is pushed into the mainstream and commodified and has it&#8217;s 15 minutes of being blown up, and the saturation point is easily heard in the number of lame remixes being done in that style that year. </p>
<p>records were the top tracks of their day, on labels that no longer exist and produced by people that will never see a dime, but it was the fact that they were the true innovaters that made it possible and paved the way forward. </p>
<p>anyways, that&#8217;s my two cents&#8230;props to the blog writer. and to those keeping the shit real, underground. :}&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;K</p>
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		<title>By: Izak</title>
		<link>http://www.rageousmusic.com/2008/08/27/electronic-progress-goes-boink/comment-page-1/#comment-9014</link>
		<dc:creator>Izak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to agree with you, but only because of the Calvin and Hobbes reference from one of my favorite strips. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Zenocyte</title>
		<link>http://www.rageousmusic.com/2008/08/27/electronic-progress-goes-boink/comment-page-1/#comment-8996</link>
		<dc:creator>Zenocyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo cuz, 

Agreed.  My officemate was getting way too deep into electro about the time it had begun to turn into a formula (*cough* KLAAS *cough*) and he used to bump it ALL THE TIME AND IT WAS KILLING ME SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY.  Other genres that do this to me are: all the rest.  Because really, you&#039;re right.  I mean, I get knocked by this guy for preferring what he calls &quot;overproduced&quot; tracks.  Since then, his taste has improved, but really...I take a lot of pride in knowing that though it takes me ages to finish a single new track or remix, there&#039;s enough content in there to slay the majority of that which has come before and will come after.  I can release a track and know that the &quot;overproduction&quot; is like this thick armor of original synths, minimal command-c &amp; v, and breakdowns that took forever to construct so that they drop harder than all the world&#039;s snare rolls played simultaneously.  

I&#039;m just so sick of the BS out there, especially when it gets put on high.  People are all, &quot;Pryda this,&quot; and &quot;Deadmau5 that&quot;, and it&#039;s still riff-music.  

Riff-tracks is all EM is anymore; riff gets made, copy and paste, song goes on beatport.  8 MINUTES OF IT.  And then you hear all 8 minutes in the club and you want to slap the DJ for being lazy.  

Lately, I don&#039;t even listen to new stuff.  I just keep on loving the old stuff, and follow this inexplicable desire I have to make it.  I really feel your disenchantment, dude.  It&#039;s a serious problem.  It&#039;s might bolster the stereotypes that it&#039;s simple music with a simple beat, but it will definitely make the super-producers, the valiant defenders of the form, stand out like visionaries.  These visionaries may not get the props they deserve as band-wagons trail closely behind, but that&#039;s their sacrifice, and it&#039;s a necessary one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo cuz, </p>
<p>Agreed.  My officemate was getting way too deep into electro about the time it had begun to turn into a formula (*cough* KLAAS *cough*) and he used to bump it ALL THE TIME AND IT WAS KILLING ME SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY.  Other genres that do this to me are: all the rest.  Because really, you&#8217;re right.  I mean, I get knocked by this guy for preferring what he calls &#8220;overproduced&#8221; tracks.  Since then, his taste has improved, but really&#8230;I take a lot of pride in knowing that though it takes me ages to finish a single new track or remix, there&#8217;s enough content in there to slay the majority of that which has come before and will come after.  I can release a track and know that the &#8220;overproduction&#8221; is like this thick armor of original synths, minimal command-c &amp; v, and breakdowns that took forever to construct so that they drop harder than all the world&#8217;s snare rolls played simultaneously.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just so sick of the BS out there, especially when it gets put on high.  People are all, &#8220;Pryda this,&#8221; and &#8220;Deadmau5 that&#8221;, and it&#8217;s still riff-music.  </p>
<p>Riff-tracks is all EM is anymore; riff gets made, copy and paste, song goes on beatport.  8 MINUTES OF IT.  And then you hear all 8 minutes in the club and you want to slap the DJ for being lazy.  </p>
<p>Lately, I don&#8217;t even listen to new stuff.  I just keep on loving the old stuff, and follow this inexplicable desire I have to make it.  I really feel your disenchantment, dude.  It&#8217;s a serious problem.  It&#8217;s might bolster the stereotypes that it&#8217;s simple music with a simple beat, but it will definitely make the super-producers, the valiant defenders of the form, stand out like visionaries.  These visionaries may not get the props they deserve as band-wagons trail closely behind, but that&#8217;s their sacrifice, and it&#8217;s a necessary one.</p>
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		<title>By: 3pm</title>
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		<dc:creator>3pm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comment system is weird. lol But your article is great!  I agree totally however we are also in the middle of a paradigm shift.  Music is more than ever accessible by the masses indipendently and not force fed to us by the radio stations and label executives which although evil were the &quot;filter&quot; in most cases.  But it&#039;s up to us as electronic musicians to challenge ourselves and to put out a creative album that is not a &quot;preset 01&quot; album or one that we&#039;ve heard before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment system is weird. lol But your article is great!  I agree totally however we are also in the middle of a paradigm shift.  Music is more than ever accessible by the masses indipendently and not force fed to us by the radio stations and label executives which although evil were the &#8220;filter&#8221; in most cases.  But it&#8217;s up to us as electronic musicians to challenge ourselves and to put out a creative album that is not a &#8220;preset 01&#8243; album or one that we&#8217;ve heard before.</p>
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